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Kenya Ogadeen sections

Postby Jilo » Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:30 pm

I'm currently researching the Ogadeen sections in Northeastern Kenya. Garissa District is inhabited by the three Telemoge sections: Cabdalle, Cabudwaaq and Maxamed. In order to compare my notes with the Abtirsi.com database, I compiled a complete Ogadeen genealogical tree from the Abtirsi.com. While I was doing that, I noticed some mistakes:

My sources give the descendants of Telemoge as:
Telemoge - Sinwaaq - Cabudwaaq - Sinwaaq - Aw Mahadle - Cabdiqariim - Yaxye - Nagaaye

The Abtirsi.com database gives the following lists (number of entry in brackets):
Talamuge (417) - Cabdi - Sunwaaq - Siin Waaq - Cabudwaaq (422) - Siin Waaq - Aw Mahadle - Cadbikariin - Yaxye (426) - Nagaaye

and:
Tolomoge (3653) - Cabudwaaq (3672) - Yaxye (3679)

Looks like a case of duplication to me. The first line (from No 417 on) seems to be the more complete to me.

[Generally it seem wise to me to start with an overall genealogy and fill in the gaps than to just compile lists of names. Since some of these lists jump generations and have variations in spelling, you will keep duplicating whole lineages.]
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Re: Kenya Ogadeen sections

Postby James Dahl » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:25 pm

Nice catch, this is probably the case. :)
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Re: Kenya Ogadeen sections

Postby Jilo » Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:19 am

Here is the Telemoge family tree according to documents I found in the Kenya National Archives (approximately 1930-1950). The names were given in English spelling, those that I could recognize I changed into Somali spelling, the others I left. You might generally have to double-check the spelling.

1. Telemoge
1.1. Samwodel
1.1.1. Ibrahim
1.1.1.1. Cabdalla
1.1.2. Maxamed
1.2. Sinwaaq
1.2.1. Cabudwaaq
1.2.1.1. Sinwaaq
1.2.1.1.1. Aw Mahadle
1.2.1.1.1.1. Isaaq
1.2.1.1.1.1.1. Haruun
1.2.1.1.1.1.2. Samatar
1.2.1.1.1.1.3. Cali
1.2.1.1.1.1.3.1. Cabdi
1.2.1.1.1.1.3.2. Guleed
1.2.1.1.1.1.3.3. Ways
1.2.1.1.1.1.4. Koshin
1.2.1.1.1.2. Maxamed
1.2.1.1.1.3. Yaquub
1.2.1.1.1.3.1. Ibrahim
1.2.1.1.1.3.2. Muusa
1.2.1.1.1.4. Cabdi Qariim
1.2.1.1.1.4.1. Yaxye
1.2.1.1.1.4.1.1. Mahad Jala
1.2.1.1.1.4.1.2. Nagaaye
1.2.1.1.1.4.2. Qasim
1.2.1.1.1.4.2.1. Adan
1.2.1.1.1.4.2.2. Cali
1.2.1.1.1.4.2.3. Maxamed
1.2.1.1.2. Gadid
1.2.1.1.3. Suleyman
1.2.1.1.4. Ibrahim
1.2.1.2. Mahad
1.2.2. Samajali
1.2.2.1. Cabdalla
1.2.2.1.1. Samatar
1.2.2.1.2. Yussuf
1.2.2.2. Ochur
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Re: Kenya Ogadeen sections

Postby James Dahl » Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:44 pm

Alright, I've fixed up the descendants of Telemoge as best I can, thanks for your help :D

Let me know if you come across any more info :)
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Re: Kenya Ogadeen sections

Postby Jilo » Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:37 am

Here is what the Kenya National Archives give as the Awlyahan Bahaale Genealogy. I don't quite know how it fits in with what you have in your database (and which is more accurate). But maybe you will figure out how to incorporate a few of the names and connections. The spellings, again, are "pre-Somali-script" and quite inaccurate.

1. Awlyahan
1.1. Tur Adi
1.1.1. Hawis
1.1.2. Songat
1.1.3. Aboukir
1.2. Jibrail
1.2.1. Aboukir
1.2.1.1. Ali
1.2.1.2. Afwa
1.2.1.3. Khassim
1.2.2. Mumin Hassan
1.2.2.1. Wafatta
1.2.2.2. Aden Kheir
1.2.2.3. Afgab
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Re: Kenya Ogadeen sections

Postby James Dahl » Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:22 pm

I've added in the Tuurcadde subclans but that certainly is strange spelling, do you know what those names are in standard Somali?
I think I have Jibril Cawlyahan written down under a nickname possibly in my database, I'm not sure where to place him.
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Re: Kenya Ogadeen sections

Postby Jilo » Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:11 am

Sorry, I can't really help you with the spelling :(

Most of my sources are from the Colonial Archives here in Kenya. While the British did try to get a lot of background information of the Somali groups and their history, they didn't speak Somali and their (English) language didn't give them the tools to write down or even hear Somali sounds properly.

Many of the old names are not in common usage any more, and there seem to exist so many alternative spellings. Some people say Cawlyahan, others say Awlihan. Some say Cabdwaaq, others say Cabudwaaq, etc. It doesn't help that Kenyan Somalis don't learn to read and write their own language...
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Re: Kenya Ogadeen sections

Postby Jilo » Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:43 am

For Maqaabul Barwaaq Tegelwaaq Ogaadeen I have found two genealogies in the Kenyan Archives. They match for the most part, but there are a few differences that I can't fit together. The first one is nice and short:

Maqaabul
1. Sacad
1.1. Hassan
1.2. Ibrahim
2. Makahiil
2.1. Mohamed (Habr Eli)
2.1.1. Gumcadle
2.1.2. Garwayn
2.2. Mohamed
2.2.1. Ibrahim
2.3. Yussuf
2.3.1. Samatalis

The second one is quite elaborate:

Maqaabul
Amudhan
1. Sacad
1.1. Hassan
1.1.1. Indagud
1.1.2. Yussuf
1.1.3. Abdallah
1.1.4. Ugad
1.2. Ibrahim
1.2.1. Abdiraxman
1.2.1.1. Yussuf
1.2.1.1.1. Ahmed
1.2.1.1.1.1. Ali
1.2.1.1.1.1.1. Hussein
1.2.1.1.1.1.2. Tibril
1.2.2. Deiryere
2. Hatti Abdiraxman (Makahiil)
2.1. Muhammed
2.1.1. Hussein
2.1.1.1. Mohamed
2.1.1.2. Ismail
2.1.1.2.1. Yunis
2.1.1.2.2.1. Ismail
2.1.1.2.2.1.1. Adan
2.1.1.2.2.1.2. Abuker
2.1.1.2.2.1.3. Dukit
2.1.1.2.2.2. Muusa
2.1.1.2.2.2.1. Abukir
2.1.1.2.2. Qaasim
2.1.1.2.3. Abukir
2.1.1.2.4. Muhammed
2.1.1.3. Muusa
2.1.1.3.1. Talharer
2.1.1.3.1.1. Cusman
2.1.1.3.1.2. Suliman
2.1.1.3.1.3. Qaasim
2.1.1.3.2. Harun
2.2. Muhammed
2.2.1. Ibrahim
2.2.1.1. Eli
2.2.1.1.1. Abdallah
2.2.1.1.1.1. Wasrmogi
2.2.1.1.1.1.1. Mohamed
2.2.1.1.1.1.2. Sarmani
2.2.1.1.1.1.3. Makahiil
2.2.1.1.1.2. Negeyah
2.2.1.1.1.2.1. Yunis
2.2.1.1.1.2.2. Kuul
2.2.1.1.2. Ismail (Afweyne)
2.2.1.1.2.1. Adan
2.2.1.1.2.1.1. Ibrahim
2.2.1.1.2.1.2. Muusa
2.2.1.1.2.2. Hussein
2.2.1.1.2.3. Omar
2.2.1.1.3. Hussein
2.2.1.2. Omar
2.2.1.3. Hassan
2.2.1.4. Abdallah
2.2.1.5. Edidera
2.2.1.6. Waksemeya
2.2.1.7. Beyd
2.3. Yussuf
2.3.1. Muhammed
2.3.1.1. Tamar
2.3.1.1.1. Samatar
2.3.1.1.1.1. Khayr
2.3.1.1.1.1.1. Koshin
2.3.2. Maxad Roob
2.4. Hassan
2.4.1. Sacad
2.4.1.1. Nuukh
2.4.1.2. Adan
2.4.1.3. Zamani
2.4.1.4. Hassan
2.4.1.5. Ubaxleh
2.4.1.6. Mohammed
1.4.1.7. Muusa
1.4.2. Abuker
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Re: Kenya Ogadeen sections

Postby James Dahl » Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:29 pm

You have written Maqaabul Barwaaq Tegelwaaq Ogaadeen, but in my database I have it entered as Muqaabul Ogaadeen. Am I missing two generations between Maqaabul and Ogaadeen?

I have entered the data into my database :)
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