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Isaaq

Postby Raj » Fri May 06, 2011 9:21 pm

Wikipedia has the following Isaaq tree:
Isaaq

Haber Awal
    Sa'ad Muse
    Issa Muse
    Ayub


Habr Garhadjis
    Habr Yunis
    Aidagalla
    Arab

Habr Jaalo (Habr Toljallo)
    Mohamed Abokor
    Ibrahim
    Muse Abokor
    Ahmad (Toljaalo)
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Re: Isaaq

Postby Raj » Fri May 06, 2011 9:44 pm

Is Ayub under the Habar Awal tree???

Is Arab under the Garxajis tree???

Is Toljallo and Habar jallo under the same tree???

Please explain.
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Re: Isaaq

Postby James Dahl » Fri May 06, 2011 10:47 pm

The wiki misunderstands "Habar", they are uterine alliances.

Ismacil Isaaq and Maxamed Isaaq are both sons of Sheikh Isaaq Axmed by the same mother, Magaado Magadle. Ayub and Abd al-Rahman are sons of Sheikh Isaaq and Magadle's sister, so they along with Ismacil and Maxamed are all "Bah Magadle", in other words their Reer Abti (mother's family) are from Magadle Maxamed of the Maahe Dir clan.

Muse, Ibrahim, Maxamed (Ibran) and Ahmed (Toljeclo) are all sons of Isaaq and a Harari noblewoman named Xaniifa.

They are all sons of Isaaq, but they are divided into Habar Magadle and Habar Xabuusheed (Habash, Hararis are a Habasha people) and Habar Magadle is further divided into the sons of Magaado and her sister.
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Re: Isaaq

Postby Raj » Thu May 12, 2011 12:10 am

From what I understand James this is it:

Shiekh Isaaq had eight sons from his two wives these were:

1.Ayub sheikh Isxaaq (Ayup) Magaado Magadle Maxamed
2.Ahmed sheikh isxaaq (Toljeclo) from Xaniifa Xabuusho
3.Ismaiil sheikh Isxaaq ( Garxajis) from Magaado Magadle Maxamed
4.Muusa sheikh isxaaq ( Habar Jeclo) from Xaniifa Xabuusho
5.Mohamed sheikh isxaaq (Cibraan) from Xaniifa Xabuusho
6.Mohamed sheikh isxaaq (Arab) from Magaado Magadle Maxamed
7.Ibrahim sheikh isxaaq (Sanbuur) from Xaniifa Xabuusho
8.Abdirahman Sheikh Isxaaq (Subeer Awal) from Magado Magadle Maxamed

Therefore under the maternal clans:

Habar Xaniifa 4 sons are:

1:Ahmed sheikh Isaaq aka Toljeclo.
2:Ibrahim sheikh Isaaq Aka Sanbuur
3:Imran Sheikh Isaaq aka Mahammed
4:Musa Sheikh Isaaq aka Habar jeclo

Habar Magadle 4 sons are:

1:Ayoub
2:Arab
3:Abdirahman Aka Habar-Awal
4:Garxijis aka Ismail
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Re: Isaaq

Postby Raj » Thu May 12, 2011 12:14 am

So in that respect Arab, Ayoud, Habar Awal and Garxajis are FULL brothers?
And Tol Jeclo, Habar Jeclo and Sanbuur and Mahammed are FULL brothers?

PS. Sanbuur and Mahammed are now sub clansof Habar Jeclo as they are small clans correct?
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Re: Isaaq

Postby James Dahl » Fri May 13, 2011 6:13 am

From what I've read Sheikh Isaaq had two wives from the Magaadle Dir subclan, so while all the sons are "Habar Magadle", they are not all thus from the same woman.
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Re: Isaaq

Postby Raj » Sat May 14, 2011 11:56 am

I'm not sure by when you say they are habasha people, I thought Habar Magadle is from the Dir subclan as you said.

What did you mean by Habasha earlier? Also which Dir subclan did Sheikh Isaaq marry? Is it related to Ciise and Gadabuursi closer to other Dirs or the same.
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Re: Isaaq

Postby James Dahl » Mon May 16, 2011 4:59 pm

Magaadle is a branch of Maxamed Xanaftire Mahe Dir.

Isaaq married 3 women, 2 from Dir and a Habash woman. The sons from his two Dir wives are Habar Magaadle, and the sons from his Habash wife are Habar Xabusheed.
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Re: Isaaq

Postby Raj » Wed May 18, 2011 12:28 am

Oh wow really a habash wife. Where are those children? Did the clan tree end for them?

Also is that the whole dir myth about Isaaq that they are dir because there mother was dir? Or do they disbelieve the whole sheikh Isaaq from Iraq theory?

I found out why they put Arab under Garxajis, arabs at the time wanted to be under Garxajis but now they think they are big enough or tensions I'm not sure but they want to be there own clan and not under the tree of Garxajis. But Is the twin brother myth true?
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Re: Isaaq

Postby James Dahl » Wed May 18, 2011 6:36 pm

Dir put Sheikh Isaaq as a son of Axmed Maxamed Xanaftire Mahe Dir, and so no, they don't believe Isaaq is from Iraq.
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